Topic ID #16691 - posted 2/28/2012 7:56 PM
Charlie Hatchett
European-Style Stone Knife Found in Virginia Made of French-Originating Flint
Charlie Hatchett
"...A remarkable series of several dozen European-style stone tools, dating
back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, have been discovered at six
locations along the US east coast. Three of the sites are on the
Delmarva Peninsular in Maryland, discovered by archaeologist Dr Darrin
Lowery of the University of Delaware. One is in Pennsylvania and another
in Virginia. A sixth was discovered by scallop-dredging fishermen on
the seabed 60 miles from the Virginian coast on what, in prehistoric
times, would have been dry land..."
"...Scientific tests on ancient DNA extracted from 8000 year old skeletons from Florida have revealed a high level of a key probable European-originating genetic marker..."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html
Charlie Hatchett
www.pre-clovis.com
"...Scientific tests on ancient DNA extracted from 8000 year old skeletons from Florida have revealed a high level of a key probable European-originating genetic marker..."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html
Charlie Hatchett
www.pre-clovis.com
Post ID#19392 - replied 2/29/2012 3:43 PM
StarRider
Post ID#19396 - replied 2/29/2012 7:52 PM
Charlie Hatchett
Another article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html
A couple of the subject bifaces:

The left biface was found under a chimney during excavations of a 17th century homestead in Virginia. The right biface, along with mastodon remains dated to ca. 23k, was dredged up 60 miles off of Virginia's coast in 240' of water.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html
A couple of the subject bifaces:

The left biface was found under a chimney during excavations of a 17th century homestead in Virginia. The right biface, along with mastodon remains dated to ca. 23k, was dredged up 60 miles off of Virginia's coast in 240' of water.
Post ID#19420 - replied 3/6/2012 4:05 PM
Charlie Hatchett
Stanford's interpretation of recently gathered data:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkrbIc-OMtE&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkrbIc-OMtE&feature=youtu.be
Post ID#19431 - replied 3/8/2012 7:54 PM
marehart
One idea is that this artifact was put under the fireplace as some sort of flint Baal good luck piece doesn't seem to hold much water with me. Neither does the idea that it may have been used a a striker flint to light fires--no markings to indicate this type use.
Looks like a very good find. Too bad no Neanderthal skeleton with it....THAT would have made history.
Looks like a very good find. Too bad no Neanderthal skeleton with it....THAT would have made history.
Post ID#19437 - replied 3/11/2012 2:19 PM
Charlie Hatchett
Speaking of:
http://bandstex.globat.com/preclovisforum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=59
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/01/25/molbev.msr024.full.pdf+html
Figure 1. Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype based on a worldwide sample of
6092 X chromosomes. Samples are listed in Table S1. Certain subpopulations were
merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.
Neandertal Admixture in Modern Humans. An X-linked haplotype of Neandertal origin is present among all non-African populations.
Vania Yotova1, Jean-Francois Lefebvre1, Claudia Moreau1, Elias Gbeha1, Kristine
Hovhannesyan1,3 *, Stephane Bourgeois1**, Sandra Bédarida1***, Luisa Azevedo4, Antonio
Amorim4,5, Tamara Sarkisian3, Patrice Avogbe6, Nicodeme Chabi6, Mamoudou Hama Dicko7,
Emile Sabiba Kou' Santa Amouzou8, Ambaliou Sanni6, June Roberts-Thomson+, Barry
Boettcher9, Rodney J. Scott9, Damian Labuda
MBE Advance Access published January 25, 2011
"...These paintings of seals were discovered in the Nerja Caves near Malaga, Spain. They are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man [Credit: EPA/Daily Mail]..."
http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2012/02/42000-year-old-neanderthal-art-found.html
http://bandstex.globat.com/preclovisforum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=59
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/01/25/molbev.msr024.full.pdf+html
Figure 1. Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype based on a worldwide sample of
6092 X chromosomes. Samples are listed in Table S1. Certain subpopulations were
merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.
Neandertal Admixture in Modern Humans. An X-linked haplotype of Neandertal origin is present among all non-African populations.
Vania Yotova1, Jean-Francois Lefebvre1, Claudia Moreau1, Elias Gbeha1, Kristine
Hovhannesyan1,3 *, Stephane Bourgeois1**, Sandra Bédarida1***, Luisa Azevedo4, Antonio
Amorim4,5, Tamara Sarkisian3, Patrice Avogbe6, Nicodeme Chabi6, Mamoudou Hama Dicko7,
Emile Sabiba Kou' Santa Amouzou8, Ambaliou Sanni6, June Roberts-Thomson+, Barry
Boettcher9, Rodney J. Scott9, Damian Labuda
MBE Advance Access published January 25, 2011
"...These paintings of seals were discovered in the Nerja Caves near Malaga, Spain. They are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man [Credit: EPA/Daily Mail]..."
http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2012/02/42000-year-old-neanderthal-art-found.html
Post ID#19443 - replied 3/12/2012 7:18 PM
Charlie Hatchett
Neanderthals were ancient mariners
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328544.800
As far as I know Solutrean skeletal remains have never been found.
Post ID#19444 - replied 3/12/2012 8:58 PM
marehart
1st reference:
WOW. Those HSN points definitely look like what we call Solutrean.
Second Reference:
"Our data indicate that Neandertal admixture occurred very early or prior to their
worldwide expansion. Considering such early encounter of H.sapiens with Neandertals, a
question may be raised: was this encounter coincidental and without important evolutionary
consequences or (either through genetic or cultural exchanges, or both (Premo, Hublin 2009)) did
it facilitate adaptations to novel environmental conditions that actually contributed to the
successful expansion of human migrants from Africa to other continents?"
Uh, lots of possible implications here.
Third reference: HSN would make excellent paddlers! Those tools had to get there someway....did HS learn boat tech from HSN??? LOL
WOW. Those HSN points definitely look like what we call Solutrean.
Second Reference:
"Our data indicate that Neandertal admixture occurred very early or prior to their
worldwide expansion. Considering such early encounter of H.sapiens with Neandertals, a
question may be raised: was this encounter coincidental and without important evolutionary
consequences or (either through genetic or cultural exchanges, or both (Premo, Hublin 2009)) did
it facilitate adaptations to novel environmental conditions that actually contributed to the
successful expansion of human migrants from Africa to other continents?"
Uh, lots of possible implications here.
Third reference: HSN would make excellent paddlers! Those tools had to get there someway....did HS learn boat tech from HSN??? LOL
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