Topic ID #16691 - posted 2/28/2012 7:56 PM

European-Style Stone Knife Found in Virginia Made of French-Originating Flint



Charlie Hatchett

"...A remarkable series of several dozen European-style stone tools, dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, have been discovered at six locations along the US east coast. Three of the sites are on the Delmarva Peninsular in Maryland, discovered by archaeologist Dr Darrin Lowery of the University of Delaware. One is in Pennsylvania and another in Virginia. A sixth was discovered by scallop-dredging fishermen on the seabed 60 miles from the Virginian coast on what, in prehistoric times, would have been dry land..."

"...Scientific tests on ancient DNA extracted from 8000 year old skeletons from Florida have revealed a high level of a  key probable European-originating genetic marker..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html



Charlie Hatchett
www.pre-clovis.com




Post ID#19392 - replied 2/29/2012 3:43 PM



StarRider

Post ID#19396 - replied 2/29/2012 7:52 PM



Charlie Hatchett

Another article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/radical-theory-of-first-americans-places-stone-age-europeans-in-delmarva-20000-years-ago/2012/02/28/gIQA4mriiR_story.html

A couple of the subject bifaces:



The left biface was found under a chimney during excavations of a 17th century homestead in Virginia. The right biface, along with mastodon remains dated to ca. 23k, was dredged up 60 miles off of Virginia's coast in 240' of water.

Post ID#19420 - replied 3/6/2012 4:05 PM



Charlie Hatchett

Stanford's interpretation of recently gathered data:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkrbIc-OMtE&feature=youtu.be

Post ID#19431 - replied 3/8/2012 7:54 PM



marehart

One idea is that this artifact was put under the fireplace as some sort of flint Baal good luck piece doesn't seem to hold much water with me.  Neither does the idea that it may have been used a a striker flint to light fires--no markings to indicate this type use.

Looks like a very good find.  Too bad no Neanderthal skeleton with it....THAT would have made history.

Post ID#19437 - replied 3/11/2012 2:19 PM



Charlie Hatchett

Speaking of:

http://bandstex.globat.com/preclovisforum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=59


http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/01/25/molbev.msr024.full.pdf+html

Figure 1. Worldwide distribution of B006 haplotype based on a worldwide sample of
6092 X chromosomes. Samples are listed in Table S1. Certain subpopulations were
merged, when justified by their geographic proximity.

Neandertal Admixture in Modern Humans. An X-linked haplotype of Neandertal origin is present among all non-African populations.

Vania Yotova1, Jean-Francois Lefebvre1, Claudia Moreau1, Elias Gbeha1, Kristine
Hovhannesyan1,3 *, Stephane Bourgeois1**, Sandra Bédarida1***, Luisa Azevedo4, Antonio
Amorim4,5, Tamara Sarkisian3, Patrice Avogbe6, Nicodeme Chabi6, Mamoudou Hama Dicko7,
Emile Sabiba Kou' Santa Amouzou8, Ambaliou Sanni6, June Roberts-Thomson+, Barry
Boettcher9, Rodney J. Scott9, Damian Labuda

MBE Advance Access published January 25, 2011



"...These paintings of seals were discovered in the Nerja Caves near Malaga, Spain. They are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man [Credit: EPA/Daily Mail]..."

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2012/02/42000-year-old-neanderthal-art-found.html

Post ID#19443 - replied 3/12/2012 7:18 PM



Charlie Hatchett

Neanderthals were ancient mariners

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328544.800

As far as I know Solutrean skeletal remains have never been found.

Post ID#19444 - replied 3/12/2012 8:58 PM



marehart

1st reference:

WOW.  Those HSN points definitely look like what we call Solutrean.

Second Reference:

"Our data indicate that Neandertal admixture occurred very early or prior to their
worldwide expansion. Considering such early encounter of H.sapiens with Neandertals, a
question may be raised: was this encounter coincidental and without important evolutionary
consequences or (either through genetic or cultural exchanges, or both (Premo, Hublin 2009)) did
it facilitate adaptations to novel environmental conditions that actually contributed to the
successful expansion of human migrants from Africa to other continents?"

Uh, lots of possible implications here.

Third reference: HSN would make excellent paddlers!  Those tools had to get there someway....did HS learn boat tech from HSN??? LOL


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