Topic ID #267 - posted 2/21/2007 5:25 PM
dirtdiva
archaeology and parenthood
dirtdiva
OK, this is certainly not a frequently asked question but is it possible to have children and do CRM?
I am by no means new to archaeology, I've been a shovel bum for more than 15 years. I've had a relatively stable job for the last five years and had a child a few months ago. I though when I got pregnant that I would find some way to make this work, but I've found it increasingly hard to do fieldwork and leave her for short periods of time. My employer has been somewhat tolerant, but co-workers roll their eyes when I need to take a break to pump twice a day (I'm breastfeeding and could use even more advice about the challenges that presents in the field). I've missed some of her milestones, like her first tooth, rolling over, etc. because I've been away on per diem projects. My partner has been terrific and would be willing to stay home with her, but we can't make it on one paycheck for long. We have been fortunate so far with an excellent daycare provider.
I'm feeling the guilt of being away from her, of leaving my partner with so much of the responisibility of childcare, but I love what I do and I have good healthcare and benefits through my employer (my partner doesn't have any coverage through his). Is there any compromise? Has anyone been able to make this work? If I stay at my current position I will have no choice but to continue to travel. I feel my responsibility comes to my daughter first and need to come to some resolution soon.
Am I facing the inevitable conclusion that one can't be both an archaeologist and a mother to a small child?
Thanks for any advice from anyone who has managed to make this work. Now I've got to go and change a poopy diaper. Damn carrots!
I am by no means new to archaeology, I've been a shovel bum for more than 15 years. I've had a relatively stable job for the last five years and had a child a few months ago. I though when I got pregnant that I would find some way to make this work, but I've found it increasingly hard to do fieldwork and leave her for short periods of time. My employer has been somewhat tolerant, but co-workers roll their eyes when I need to take a break to pump twice a day (I'm breastfeeding and could use even more advice about the challenges that presents in the field). I've missed some of her milestones, like her first tooth, rolling over, etc. because I've been away on per diem projects. My partner has been terrific and would be willing to stay home with her, but we can't make it on one paycheck for long. We have been fortunate so far with an excellent daycare provider.
I'm feeling the guilt of being away from her, of leaving my partner with so much of the responisibility of childcare, but I love what I do and I have good healthcare and benefits through my employer (my partner doesn't have any coverage through his). Is there any compromise? Has anyone been able to make this work? If I stay at my current position I will have no choice but to continue to travel. I feel my responsibility comes to my daughter first and need to come to some resolution soon.
Am I facing the inevitable conclusion that one can't be both an archaeologist and a mother to a small child?
Thanks for any advice from anyone who has managed to make this work. Now I've got to go and change a poopy diaper. Damn carrots!
Post ID#426 - replied 2/22/2007 1:04 PM
Dmack89
Dirtdiva
As a male I did not face all the same issues you did, however when my daughter was two I became a part time single parent (divorce with 75% physical custody). While it had always been difficult to go away (calling at nights just to hear baby babble) wiht the divorce a whole set of new issues came up.
If you have a strong partner, willing to bear the load while you are out of town, you can be a successful parent and CRM person. Thankfully I had that (our issues were in other parts of life).
I tried to continue the lifestyle as a single parent and found that after a year, it just was not working - which led to me taking an office job with the state (still in archaeology) which allowed me to be home every night, but took me out of the field. For those of you that remember my old avatar - my feelings on this should be clear (a hole dug in an office floor for escape).
I am interested in hearing what others have to say as well. Good Luck to you.
DM
As a male I did not face all the same issues you did, however when my daughter was two I became a part time single parent (divorce with 75% physical custody). While it had always been difficult to go away (calling at nights just to hear baby babble) wiht the divorce a whole set of new issues came up.
If you have a strong partner, willing to bear the load while you are out of town, you can be a successful parent and CRM person. Thankfully I had that (our issues were in other parts of life).
I tried to continue the lifestyle as a single parent and found that after a year, it just was not working - which led to me taking an office job with the state (still in archaeology) which allowed me to be home every night, but took me out of the field. For those of you that remember my old avatar - my feelings on this should be clear (a hole dug in an office floor for escape).
I am interested in hearing what others have to say as well. Good Luck to you.
DM
Post ID#593 - replied 2/28/2007 3:53 PM
cgobber
YES - it is possible to do CRM and be a Mom. I am impressed that you pumped while in the field. You are a great mom! I never had to do that and can only imagine that you are a determined woman and archaeologist.
After I had my baby, I didn't work and I really thought that archaeology jobs were going to be in my past. Until, I replied to a "Cultural Resource Specialist" job posting on this wonderful website. So I applied to the job when my son was 1.5 years old. I thought that I wasn't going to be hired because I have so much field experience and not much office or the "paperwork behind the CRM" experience. But, I was exactly what they wanted, someone who had field experience, some report writing experience, and someone they could mold. So, I travel about 1 week a month (which is the most and I havent' traveled for over 4 months), I get to dabble in some field work, write about field work and results, and more. Its not archaeology related all the time, but it is a sweet mixture that keeps me challenged.
What I am suggesting is - there are more jobs in the CRM field than just archaeological field work - you probably know this. And there are many job postings out there for Cultural resources specialists. Whether or not they are in your area, I don't know, but there are many big firms hiring right now.
So I love what I do, I am still an archaeologist, I have benefits, my son loves school (daycare) and don't I just sound like a happy-go-lucky mom! It helps to have a supportive husband, which sounds like you have a supportive partner, too.
Hope that helped!
:)
After I had my baby, I didn't work and I really thought that archaeology jobs were going to be in my past. Until, I replied to a "Cultural Resource Specialist" job posting on this wonderful website. So I applied to the job when my son was 1.5 years old. I thought that I wasn't going to be hired because I have so much field experience and not much office or the "paperwork behind the CRM" experience. But, I was exactly what they wanted, someone who had field experience, some report writing experience, and someone they could mold. So, I travel about 1 week a month (which is the most and I havent' traveled for over 4 months), I get to dabble in some field work, write about field work and results, and more. Its not archaeology related all the time, but it is a sweet mixture that keeps me challenged.
What I am suggesting is - there are more jobs in the CRM field than just archaeological field work - you probably know this. And there are many job postings out there for Cultural resources specialists. Whether or not they are in your area, I don't know, but there are many big firms hiring right now.
So I love what I do, I am still an archaeologist, I have benefits, my son loves school (daycare) and don't I just sound like a happy-go-lucky mom! It helps to have a supportive husband, which sounds like you have a supportive partner, too.
Hope that helped!
:)
Post ID#1023 - replied 3/14/2007 5:22 PM
BricksandSticks
Following on the last posting...yes you can do both, but it may take some creativity or a change of location.
Myself, I have a 22month old. I left archaeology when I was pregnant, but only because the firm I worked for had no opportunity for me to transfer and I wanted to be with my husband (he's in fiber const.). I then decided to bag it for a bit for personal reasons, career soul searching, and the whole "how do I do both" questioning. Currently, I work for a newspaper, from home, a major change, but it provides me with a job and believe it or not some handy experience in supervising contractors and budgets. When I decided to go back into archaeology, I started making the calls to previous employers that I knew were positive towards families.
In less than a day I was offered a position, one that like the last post, is less field oriented, but what I have wanted for a long time. I will get to work from a home office, trips into the office 1xweek, and field stuff will be worked out. My spouse is super supportive to the idea.
We have to move though, back to CA, but I figure that is status quo for archaeology (go where the work is). In this case, I am going where I am welcomed, and on the terms I laid out up front, and to a great salary and benefits package. We move in the early fall and are really looking forward to it.
BTW-my boss is always looking for good, well rounded, experienced personnel and has this same arrangement with other parent archs, so if you want more information let me know.
Myself, I have a 22month old. I left archaeology when I was pregnant, but only because the firm I worked for had no opportunity for me to transfer and I wanted to be with my husband (he's in fiber const.). I then decided to bag it for a bit for personal reasons, career soul searching, and the whole "how do I do both" questioning. Currently, I work for a newspaper, from home, a major change, but it provides me with a job and believe it or not some handy experience in supervising contractors and budgets. When I decided to go back into archaeology, I started making the calls to previous employers that I knew were positive towards families.
In less than a day I was offered a position, one that like the last post, is less field oriented, but what I have wanted for a long time. I will get to work from a home office, trips into the office 1xweek, and field stuff will be worked out. My spouse is super supportive to the idea.
We have to move though, back to CA, but I figure that is status quo for archaeology (go where the work is). In this case, I am going where I am welcomed, and on the terms I laid out up front, and to a great salary and benefits package. We move in the early fall and are really looking forward to it.
BTW-my boss is always looking for good, well rounded, experienced personnel and has this same arrangement with other parent archs, so if you want more information let me know.
Post ID#2970 - replied 8/14/2007 4:18 PM
MagnetMan
Sorry to put a damper on your career ambitions, but any mom not breast-feeding and remaining in constant cantact with her child until it is properly weaned is not paying full attention to her real job in life.
And to add to the responsibilities of parenthood, any mom who does not have a second child after weaning the first, is not providing her first-born with the necessary sibling relationship required to develop healthy socialiization skills.
Being a parent is the most responsible job on the planet. When that decision is made, all else must revolve around that.
If it is a matter of keeping the paycheck coming, African women strap the babe to their backs and dig in the field all day long and carry heavy loads of water on their heads to keep the fields alive.
Where there is a will there is a way.
And to add to the responsibilities of parenthood, any mom who does not have a second child after weaning the first, is not providing her first-born with the necessary sibling relationship required to develop healthy socialiization skills.
Being a parent is the most responsible job on the planet. When that decision is made, all else must revolve around that.
If it is a matter of keeping the paycheck coming, African women strap the babe to their backs and dig in the field all day long and carry heavy loads of water on their heads to keep the fields alive.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Post ID#2976 - replied 8/14/2007 9:06 PM
BAJR
glad to see positive comments on this one..
though who was it said there was no discrimination.... :wink:
women.. babies... CRM... :?
Being a parent is the most responsible job on the planet. When that decision is made, all else must revolve around that.
how true... but it all depends on who is looking after baby
though who was it said there was no discrimination.... :wink:
women.. babies... CRM... :?
Being a parent is the most responsible job on the planet. When that decision is made, all else must revolve around that.
how true... but it all depends on who is looking after baby
Post ID#2977 - replied 8/14/2007 10:07 PM
MagnetMan
[quote:="BAJR"]
how true... but it all depends on who is looking after baby
Nature's duly appointed best nurturer/guardian/teacher/friend. No one else can fill those shoes. In the end, relics mean nothing, family means everything.
Sounds too good to be true doesn't it.
Better to dump the babe in nursery and then in school so we can get on with our life.
As a father, been there, done that - and regret it to this day.
Would feel the same way if I was a mother.
There is no sexism in parenthood.
Got a chance to do it right second time round as a stay-home dad.
Home-schooled eight kids.
Can't begin to count the blessings.
how true... but it all depends on who is looking after baby
Nature's duly appointed best nurturer/guardian/teacher/friend. No one else can fill those shoes. In the end, relics mean nothing, family means everything.
Sounds too good to be true doesn't it.
Better to dump the babe in nursery and then in school so we can get on with our life.
As a father, been there, done that - and regret it to this day.
Would feel the same way if I was a mother.
There is no sexism in parenthood.
Got a chance to do it right second time round as a stay-home dad.
Home-schooled eight kids.
Can't begin to count the blessings.
Post ID#2985 - replied 8/15/2007 5:46 AM
BAJR
I was just interested in this quote..
but any mom not breast-feeding and remaining in constant cantact with her child until it is properly weaned is not paying full attention to her real job in life.
And to add to the responsibilities of parenthood, any mom who does not have a second child after weaning the first, is not providing her first-born with the necessary sibling relationship required to develop healthy socialiization skills.
glad to see that you see the man as taking an equal share... though I do worry about how the onus seems to be placed on the female. If she has a better job... surely the man would be better to give up thier job and take care of baby (after the maternity leave is over for teh woman who as you rightly say is the one having baby) -
I know a few couples who can have a baby and work... and the kids are fine
but any mom not breast-feeding and remaining in constant cantact with her child until it is properly weaned is not paying full attention to her real job in life.
And to add to the responsibilities of parenthood, any mom who does not have a second child after weaning the first, is not providing her first-born with the necessary sibling relationship required to develop healthy socialiization skills.
glad to see that you see the man as taking an equal share... though I do worry about how the onus seems to be placed on the female. If she has a better job... surely the man would be better to give up thier job and take care of baby (after the maternity leave is over for teh woman who as you rightly say is the one having baby) -
I know a few couples who can have a baby and work... and the kids are fine
Post ID#2991 - replied 8/15/2007 9:21 AM
dirtdiva
Magnet man, I have no response to what you have to say. You have a right to your opinions and the right to express them.
At the time I wrote my post I was in a terrible work situation with a firm that was not a hospitable work environment to working mothers. I have since separated from that employer and have a new job. I'm still in CRM but with a very family friendly company. The division I'm working in is mostly run by women (who are all working mother by the way) and insist that everyone leave at 5pm and get home to their families. They believe that family comes first over work. I am still a field director, but all of my projects are local so I get to go home to my beautiful child each day.
There is even a wellness room here for breastfeeding moms, though I am no longer nursing my child. I caught Lyme disease a month ago and the illness and medicine made the milk taste bad so she weaned herself. My partner is still very supportive and is a great father. After changing employers my stress level is much lower so I'm happier and hopefully a better parent. Thank you to all gave me support and good advice when I was going through a difficult time.
At the time I wrote my post I was in a terrible work situation with a firm that was not a hospitable work environment to working mothers. I have since separated from that employer and have a new job. I'm still in CRM but with a very family friendly company. The division I'm working in is mostly run by women (who are all working mother by the way) and insist that everyone leave at 5pm and get home to their families. They believe that family comes first over work. I am still a field director, but all of my projects are local so I get to go home to my beautiful child each day.
There is even a wellness room here for breastfeeding moms, though I am no longer nursing my child. I caught Lyme disease a month ago and the illness and medicine made the milk taste bad so she weaned herself. My partner is still very supportive and is a great father. After changing employers my stress level is much lower so I'm happier and hopefully a better parent. Thank you to all gave me support and good advice when I was going through a difficult time.
Post ID#2995 - replied 8/15/2007 2:35 PM
MagnetMan
[quote:="dirtdiva"]Magnet man, I have no response to what you have to say. You have a right to your opinions and the right to express them.
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I totally empathize with your position. Millions of modern moms are caught up int the same child rearing predicament. I appologised at the start for picking on your situation. I used the opportunity to bring attention to the problem of infantile neglect in general.
Making careful arrangements for others to take care of one's child has become accepted practice in the modern world. Nature never intended that to happen.
Few parents realize just how vital the first three years of life really are. Modern stuidies in emotional and social intellegence are revealing how essential neural pathways in the brain are atrophying for want of the correct stimulation - specifically as regards mother/infant bonding.
I have personal examples of the serious gap in emotional stability between the child of my first marriage and the children of my second. Your solutions reminded me of what we did as parents in the first instance. Though my oldest son is a wonderful adult in many ways - he has to deal with a number of serious psychological hang-ups that make life less than fully satisfying for him. Forty years ago, when he was born, the only available knowledge on child-care came from Dr. Spock. Tye good doctor was seriously in error in much of his advise to parents.
It might be heklpful to read Daniel Goleman's books on the subject.
Once again, I am sorry for upsetting you in particular. I hope you take being martyred in the right spirit. :D
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I totally empathize with your position. Millions of modern moms are caught up int the same child rearing predicament. I appologised at the start for picking on your situation. I used the opportunity to bring attention to the problem of infantile neglect in general.
Making careful arrangements for others to take care of one's child has become accepted practice in the modern world. Nature never intended that to happen.
Few parents realize just how vital the first three years of life really are. Modern stuidies in emotional and social intellegence are revealing how essential neural pathways in the brain are atrophying for want of the correct stimulation - specifically as regards mother/infant bonding.
I have personal examples of the serious gap in emotional stability between the child of my first marriage and the children of my second. Your solutions reminded me of what we did as parents in the first instance. Though my oldest son is a wonderful adult in many ways - he has to deal with a number of serious psychological hang-ups that make life less than fully satisfying for him. Forty years ago, when he was born, the only available knowledge on child-care came from Dr. Spock. Tye good doctor was seriously in error in much of his advise to parents.
It might be heklpful to read Daniel Goleman's books on the subject.
Once again, I am sorry for upsetting you in particular. I hope you take being martyred in the right spirit. :D
Post ID#2998 - replied 8/15/2007 5:17 PM
BAJR
Nature never intended that to happen.
Nature never intended us to drive, fly, eat processed food, drink cow milk or do lots of things. and I ain't sure whether nature intended marraige either ...
Dirt Diva sounds like she did the right thing... and good on her... Move from a company that discriminates to one that can obviously work with people ... and still work as a CRM company. Discrimination... there is no place for it.
Nature never intended us to drive, fly, eat processed food, drink cow milk or do lots of things. and I ain't sure whether nature intended marraige either ...
Dirt Diva sounds like she did the right thing... and good on her... Move from a company that discriminates to one that can obviously work with people ... and still work as a CRM company. Discrimination... there is no place for it.
Post ID#2999 - replied 8/15/2007 5:35 PM
MagnetMan
[quote:="BAJR"]
Nature never intended us to drive, fly, eat processed food, drink cow milk or do lots of things.
On the contrary I think that Nature is directly responsible for the evolution of human consciousness and the creative application of our large brain. But there are foundational behavioral ethics, upon which the drive for ever higher states of consciousnessare built, that we dare not under-mine.
"Is there after all such a great diffrenece from the point of view of the expansion of life between a vertibrate either spreading its limbs or equiping them with feathers, and an aviator soaring on wings with which he has had the engenuity to provide himself?" Teilhard de Chardin.
I do not think you are properly addressing the rise in modern dysfunctional behavior via what I think are superficial observations.
As stated in my prebvious post, serious scientific studies have raised a red flag on the dulling of emotional and social intelligence. The argument leads back to early brain development.
and I ain't sure whether nature intended marraige either ...
What nature intended was the reliable presence of both male and femal parental influences in a child's life. Divorse has assumed potentially catastrophic proportions - with long-term behavioral consequences that we have yet to deal with.
glad to see that you see the man as taking an equal share... though I do worry about how the onus seems to be placed on the female. If she has a better job... surely the man would be better to give up thier job and take care of baby (after the maternity leave is over for teh woman who as you rightly say is the one having baby) -
I believe that the mother, from birth through weaning and up until the seventh year has by far the major influence on the budding child psyche. Her main psychological focus here should be to encourage the sharing ethic. Intercation with other siblings is the main way to do this.
From the seventh year onwards, a marked change in the perception of space and time takes place in the child mind. The relative nature of the here and now becomes increasingly artificialized as the analytical side of the brain begins to assert itself. At this stage I think it is imperative that the father takes over increasing responsibility in further development - mainly by encouraging a chore-based work ethic.
For boys, at puberty, a father is a definite must - and every effort should be made by him to evoke the ethic of courage.
I know a few couples who can have a baby and work... and the kids are fine
The human psyche is resilient. It has a genetic foundation of 100,000 generations of soundly based social and spititual disciplines imprinted in it. But a few dysfuntional generations of poor paremtal care can reduce all that natural investment to waste.
The sharing ethic
The work ethic
The courage ethic
are the foundations of
Teen love
Adult creativity,
Intellectual sagacity.
Miss out on the foundations and we have increasing delinquentcy.
Nature never intended us to drive, fly, eat processed food, drink cow milk or do lots of things.
On the contrary I think that Nature is directly responsible for the evolution of human consciousness and the creative application of our large brain. But there are foundational behavioral ethics, upon which the drive for ever higher states of consciousnessare built, that we dare not under-mine.
"Is there after all such a great diffrenece from the point of view of the expansion of life between a vertibrate either spreading its limbs or equiping them with feathers, and an aviator soaring on wings with which he has had the engenuity to provide himself?" Teilhard de Chardin.
I do not think you are properly addressing the rise in modern dysfunctional behavior via what I think are superficial observations.
As stated in my prebvious post, serious scientific studies have raised a red flag on the dulling of emotional and social intelligence. The argument leads back to early brain development.
and I ain't sure whether nature intended marraige either ...
What nature intended was the reliable presence of both male and femal parental influences in a child's life. Divorse has assumed potentially catastrophic proportions - with long-term behavioral consequences that we have yet to deal with.
glad to see that you see the man as taking an equal share... though I do worry about how the onus seems to be placed on the female. If she has a better job... surely the man would be better to give up thier job and take care of baby (after the maternity leave is over for teh woman who as you rightly say is the one having baby) -
I believe that the mother, from birth through weaning and up until the seventh year has by far the major influence on the budding child psyche. Her main psychological focus here should be to encourage the sharing ethic. Intercation with other siblings is the main way to do this.
From the seventh year onwards, a marked change in the perception of space and time takes place in the child mind. The relative nature of the here and now becomes increasingly artificialized as the analytical side of the brain begins to assert itself. At this stage I think it is imperative that the father takes over increasing responsibility in further development - mainly by encouraging a chore-based work ethic.
For boys, at puberty, a father is a definite must - and every effort should be made by him to evoke the ethic of courage.
I know a few couples who can have a baby and work... and the kids are fine
The human psyche is resilient. It has a genetic foundation of 100,000 generations of soundly based social and spititual disciplines imprinted in it. But a few dysfuntional generations of poor paremtal care can reduce all that natural investment to waste.
The sharing ethic
The work ethic
The courage ethic
are the foundations of
Teen love
Adult creativity,
Intellectual sagacity.
Miss out on the foundations and we have increasing delinquentcy.
Post ID#3000 - replied 8/15/2007 6:44 PM
BAJR
On the contrary I think that Nature is directly responsible for the evolution of human consciousness and the creative application of our large brain[code:1:]
And surely thats what we are doing? moving ... perhaps not forward :lol: but moving... evolving... changing...
marraige could be seen as a construct to ensure that women are seen as objects.. while in some societies it is not teh case... in others it is... to place a single construct a single ethos on 'humanity' is to ignore the multiplicity of humanity... a group that can care for an injured sparrow and simultaneously kill a neighbour... that can create art or destruction...
That can subjugate women or minorities or disabled or see all people as equal...
.. personally... I think the earth will be glad to be shot of us...
I agree parents (society) has to regain respect for itself .. but not by gender typing ....
We all play a part... in Celtic Society... a child was sent away and cared for by the whole tribe... for example.....
Interesting discussion... and I am still 100% with Dirt Diva[/code:1:]
And surely thats what we are doing? moving ... perhaps not forward :lol: but moving... evolving... changing...
marraige could be seen as a construct to ensure that women are seen as objects.. while in some societies it is not teh case... in others it is... to place a single construct a single ethos on 'humanity' is to ignore the multiplicity of humanity... a group that can care for an injured sparrow and simultaneously kill a neighbour... that can create art or destruction...
That can subjugate women or minorities or disabled or see all people as equal...
.. personally... I think the earth will be glad to be shot of us...
I agree parents (society) has to regain respect for itself .. but not by gender typing ....
We all play a part... in Celtic Society... a child was sent away and cared for by the whole tribe... for example.....
Interesting discussion... and I am still 100% with Dirt Diva[/code:1:]
Post ID#3003 - replied 8/15/2007 8:11 PM
MagnetMan
[quote:="BAJR"]And surely thats what we are doing? moving ... perhaps not forward :lol: but moving... evolving... changing...
"Groping" is the word de Chardin uses when describing how evolution moves forward.
Yes, sometimes we have to take a step back in order to move two steps forward. But groping has, since the very first ameoba, somehow always found a sure foothold somewhere - and then pulls consciousness up to a new level of awareness.
marraige could be seen as a construct to ensure that women are seen as objects..
Objects of supreme importance. As natural home-makers, women should run countries - not men - they would do a far better job. Our job is not to argue endlessly over the house-keeping budget, but to protect the hearth and occassionally bring home the bacon. 8-) Male polititions are girly-men and presidents who send mothers son's off to fight pointless wars are closet sissies. :lol: :lol: :lol:
.. personally... I think the earth will be glad to be shot of us...
Aw! Common, give us a smile. Things will get better - promise. :)
We all play a part... in Celtic Society... a child was sent away and cared for by the whole tribe... for example.....
Very true. Keeping the extended family together should be a national priority - instead of forcing everybody into migratory labor.
Interesting discussion... and I am still 100% with Dirt Diva[/code][/quote]
How about 99%? :wink:
"Groping" is the word de Chardin uses when describing how evolution moves forward.
Yes, sometimes we have to take a step back in order to move two steps forward. But groping has, since the very first ameoba, somehow always found a sure foothold somewhere - and then pulls consciousness up to a new level of awareness.
marraige could be seen as a construct to ensure that women are seen as objects..
Objects of supreme importance. As natural home-makers, women should run countries - not men - they would do a far better job. Our job is not to argue endlessly over the house-keeping budget, but to protect the hearth and occassionally bring home the bacon. 8-) Male polititions are girly-men and presidents who send mothers son's off to fight pointless wars are closet sissies. :lol: :lol: :lol:
.. personally... I think the earth will be glad to be shot of us...
Aw! Common, give us a smile. Things will get better - promise. :)
We all play a part... in Celtic Society... a child was sent away and cared for by the whole tribe... for example.....
Very true. Keeping the extended family together should be a national priority - instead of forcing everybody into migratory labor.
Interesting discussion... and I am still 100% with Dirt Diva[/code][/quote]
How about 99%? :wink:
Post ID#17573 - replied 4/7/2010 6:03 PM
Eileash
anybody else think of sea horses and Away we go when reading Magnet Man?
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