Topic ID #3157 - posted 3/27/2008 7:43 PM
Histarcher711
according to some sources, we are paid well
Histarcher711
April 2008 cover of San Diego Magazine showing archaeologists make $90,000-100,000/year :shock: ...riiiiight.... the archaeologist pictured is Dr. Seth Mallios, Anthro chair at SDSU....<p>
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Post ID#6451 - replied 3/27/2008 11:43 AM
cmarknicholson
That picture just made me sick. Maybe we should send the magazine editors a link to this forum, as well as the SAA study.
Maybe even ask for a retraction.
Maybe even ask for a retraction.
Post ID#6453 - replied 3/27/2008 1:10 PM
spynavy
Ya, I was making about 85,000 a year doing archaeology. Then I woke and entered a nightmare.
Mark
Mark
Post ID#6455 - replied 3/27/2008 7:53 PM
FireArch
Moderator
[quote:="cmarknicholson"]That picture just made me sick. Maybe we should send the magazine editors a link to this forum, as well as the SAA study.
Maybe even ask for a retraction.
If I find an editor's email addy then I think I will just do that.
Maybe even ask for a retraction.
If I find an editor's email addy then I think I will just do that.
Post ID#6456 - replied 3/27/2008 8:12 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Jess,
Could you post what the article said in particular about the earnings of archaeologists? I have the email addy for the editor-in-chief and have a letter drafted, but want to make sure that they havent covered the reality that we know archaeology to be.
Richard
Could you post what the article said in particular about the earnings of archaeologists? I have the email addy for the editor-in-chief and have a letter drafted, but want to make sure that they havent covered the reality that we know archaeology to be.
Richard
Post ID#6463 - replied 3/27/2008 11:16 PM
spynavy
It would appear that April's issue is not online yet.
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/
Mark
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/
Mark
Post ID#6466 - replied 3/28/2008 12:04 AM
FireArch
Moderator
Probably wont be online until well into April. It appears that Jessica scanned in her post, so she must have a copy. I suppose I could just go find one somewhere.
Post ID#6467 - replied 3/28/2008 4:37 PM
prisoner
[quote:="FireArch"]Jess,
Could you post what the article said in particular about the earnings of archaeologists? I have the email addy for the editor-in-chief and have a letter drafted, but want to make sure that they havent covered the reality that we know archaeology to be.
Richard
I would be interested in how they define it, but there are some archeologists making that much and more. If they are touting it as an average, then yes it is obviously way off base.
Could you post what the article said in particular about the earnings of archaeologists? I have the email addy for the editor-in-chief and have a letter drafted, but want to make sure that they havent covered the reality that we know archaeology to be.
Richard
I would be interested in how they define it, but there are some archeologists making that much and more. If they are touting it as an average, then yes it is obviously way off base.
Post ID#6469 - replied 3/28/2008 7:08 PM
FireArch
Moderator
It seems to me that they are making an implicit statement that "Archaeologists" (that is, in general) earn something in that neighborhood, but naturally, it does depend on who they are talking about. They certainly weren't talking about me, nor most of us for that matter.
Post ID#6530 - replied 3/31/2008 4:01 PM
FireArch
Moderator
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
Seth Mallios
Professor and chair of anthropology,
San Diego State University
$90,000-$100,000
BEST: “Finding treasure! I’m an archaeologist who gets to unearth San Diego’s rich and dynamic history and then teach students about everything I find. Whether locating forgotten murals, unearthing Palomar Mountain legend Nate Harrison’s old smoking pipe, rediscovering cemeteries that vanished long ago or digging up a 100-year-old toothbrush in the Whaley House well, nothing beats the thrill of unearthing the past.”
WORST: “It’s a tie between occasionally dealing with people who don’t respect my time and enduring repeated California state budget crises.”
(My opinion. Well, if he's going to be making that kind of money at SDSU the least he could do is ensure that the kids they process (word chosen deliberately) through there know what CRM is, and how to do it).
Seth Mallios
Professor and chair of anthropology,
San Diego State University
$90,000-$100,000
BEST: “Finding treasure! I’m an archaeologist who gets to unearth San Diego’s rich and dynamic history and then teach students about everything I find. Whether locating forgotten murals, unearthing Palomar Mountain legend Nate Harrison’s old smoking pipe, rediscovering cemeteries that vanished long ago or digging up a 100-year-old toothbrush in the Whaley House well, nothing beats the thrill of unearthing the past.”
WORST: “It’s a tie between occasionally dealing with people who don’t respect my time and enduring repeated California state budget crises.”
(My opinion. Well, if he's going to be making that kind of money at SDSU the least he could do is ensure that the kids they process (word chosen deliberately) through there know what CRM is, and how to do it).
Post ID#6533 - replied 3/31/2008 4:56 PM
spynavy
Too bad they didn't walk into any CRM firm in SD and ask a tech what we really make..
Mark
Mark
Post ID#6536 - replied 3/31/2008 7:09 PM
FireArch
Moderator
I'll be sending them an email shortly....
Post ID#6571 - replied 4/1/2008 6:09 PM
BAJR
Would not mind sending one myself...
Love it... "Finding treasure" er.... are you an archaeologist or a Treasure Hunter?
Its as bad as a few years back when teh IFA told us that in 1999 the average wage of an archaeologist was around 17000 UK pounds... ( well it was if you asked only management) trouble was, back then we were on sub 10k a year!
go on.... I think I might email as well... should we email the magazine and ask for a retraction :lol:
Love it... "Finding treasure" er.... are you an archaeologist or a Treasure Hunter?
Its as bad as a few years back when teh IFA told us that in 1999 the average wage of an archaeologist was around 17000 UK pounds... ( well it was if you asked only management) trouble was, back then we were on sub 10k a year!
go on.... I think I might email as well... should we email the magazine and ask for a retraction :lol:
Post ID#6576 - replied 4/1/2008 6:46 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Tom Blair
Editor-in-Chief
San Diego Magazine
Dear Sir,
A colleague has let us know that, according to the April 2008 issue of SDM, archaeologists earn more than $90,000 per annum. This is rather shocking news to those of us who work in this field, many of us for a number of decades, and none of whom have earned that kind of dosh. Without a doubt a few, well positioned, "archaeologists" earn that sort of wage, but as they mainly do not conduct actual fieldwork, or manage field personnel, or execute special studies, it can hardly be said that they are actual archaeologists. For a clearer picture of the state of the field archaeologist pay and conditions please browse through these fora on Archaeologyfieldwork.com (http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2672; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1898; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2978; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3108; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2471). Perhaps it would be possible for your magazine to interview some of us to round out your portrait of the archaeologist. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
And incidentally, we do not hunt for treasure, we conduct science-based investigations, and provide our clients with sound legal advice.
Respectfully,
Richard D. Shultz
I've sent mine. The list of email addresses is in the Contact Us link at the top of the page of the linked article.
Editor-in-Chief
San Diego Magazine
Dear Sir,
A colleague has let us know that, according to the April 2008 issue of SDM, archaeologists earn more than $90,000 per annum. This is rather shocking news to those of us who work in this field, many of us for a number of decades, and none of whom have earned that kind of dosh. Without a doubt a few, well positioned, "archaeologists" earn that sort of wage, but as they mainly do not conduct actual fieldwork, or manage field personnel, or execute special studies, it can hardly be said that they are actual archaeologists. For a clearer picture of the state of the field archaeologist pay and conditions please browse through these fora on Archaeologyfieldwork.com (http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2672; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1898; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2978; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3108; http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2471). Perhaps it would be possible for your magazine to interview some of us to round out your portrait of the archaeologist. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
And incidentally, we do not hunt for treasure, we conduct science-based investigations, and provide our clients with sound legal advice.
Respectfully,
Richard D. Shultz
I've sent mine. The list of email addresses is in the Contact Us link at the top of the page of the linked article.
Post ID#6577 - replied 4/1/2008 6:50 PM
Dwarmour
that sounds like a good email. did you send it to him yet?
sorry i didn't read the very bottom. haha
sorry i didn't read the very bottom. haha
Post ID#6578 - replied 4/1/2008 6:54 PM
spynavy
Well said FireArch
Mark
Mark
Post ID#6579 - replied 4/1/2008 7:02 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Thank you Mark, Dwarmour.
I'll let everyone know if anything comes of it.
Richard
I'll let everyone know if anything comes of it.
Richard
Post ID#6580 - replied 4/1/2008 7:02 PM
spynavy
Here is the email for the Editor in Chief of San Diego magazine
Editor-in-Chief Tom Blair
tblair@sandiegomagazine.com
Here is the contacts link
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/About-Us/Contact-Us/
Mark
Editor-in-Chief Tom Blair
tblair@sandiegomagazine.com
Here is the contacts link
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/About-Us/Contact-Us/
Mark
Post ID#6584 - replied 4/1/2008 8:12 PM
BAJR
lovely... this is just the sort of thing to make some noise
I would be pleased if I could send an email too, as BAJR? would that be ok?
I would be pleased if I could send an email too, as BAJR? would that be ok?
Post ID#6585 - replied 4/1/2008 10:07 PM
FireArch
Moderator
David, you're welcome to send any email you wish, so fire away.
In fact, I think everyone should send one.
The "article" was journalistic jerkin' time if you ask me - titillating and fatuous at best, and the publisher should be made to understand that.
In fact, I think everyone should send one.
The "article" was journalistic jerkin' time if you ask me - titillating and fatuous at best, and the publisher should be made to understand that.
Post ID#6691 - replied 4/6/2008 3:28 PM
BAJR
sent an email, asking for them to consider looking more at the reality of archaeology in the USA... and being part of the force to alter the poverty that most professionals find themselves.
:twisted:
:twisted:
Post ID#6693 - replied 4/6/2008 6:12 PM
Circumambulate
I too sent an Email to the Editor but I think that the Professor could answer a few questions. When the term 'treasure' is used, it invokes economics as does the offensive (to me) term 'grave goods'. Who comprises the audience that Mellios is tryng to reach...students of archaeology or anthropology or the populous of San Diego who may think that 'treasure hunting' is what we as archaeologists do? Don't we have to fight through enough of opposition from without, now we have to fight it from within at this levell?
Post ID#6696 - replied 4/6/2008 7:28 PM
rkeyo
Moderator
I added my two-cents worth. We will see if the editor is a journalist or a tabloid screeder. :evil:
Post ID#6697 - replied 4/6/2008 10:28 PM
BricksandSticks
I too will be submitting an inquiry as to the archaeologist (AKA Indiana Jones wannabe) supposedly interviewed for the magazine. I think one time in my life I earned in the neighborhood of the lower bottom figure, but it involved 6 days a week, 14-16 hours a day, perdiem (which once spent to actually live-off-of, reduced the true income/earnings to the dollar per/hour figure ($17.50), and and alot of time on the road at my own expense, which further reduced my earnings.
I also take offense to this archaeologist referring to artifacts as treasure. That is appalling. To think he is what is teaching and training future archaeologists.
I live in, was educated in, and have returned to work in southern California. Frankly, I have never heard of this guy-who is he? I do not recall reading anything by him--CRM, theoretical or otherwise. I have doing this professionally for 10+ years and enthusiastically since I was 9 and I can't for the life of me recall ever hearing his name mentioned.
Plus, his wage...isn't this just a pretty standard salary for a tenure track professor? Perhaps that should have been their advertisement; a professor of anthropology (oh excuse me, "treasure hunting") at a southern California institute of higher education earns $90K+ a year. Which brings me back to big deal.
I also take offense to this archaeologist referring to artifacts as treasure. That is appalling. To think he is what is teaching and training future archaeologists.
I live in, was educated in, and have returned to work in southern California. Frankly, I have never heard of this guy-who is he? I do not recall reading anything by him--CRM, theoretical or otherwise. I have doing this professionally for 10+ years and enthusiastically since I was 9 and I can't for the life of me recall ever hearing his name mentioned.
Plus, his wage...isn't this just a pretty standard salary for a tenure track professor? Perhaps that should have been their advertisement; a professor of anthropology (oh excuse me, "treasure hunting") at a southern California institute of higher education earns $90K+ a year. Which brings me back to big deal.
Post ID#6699 - replied 4/7/2008 1:01 PM
BAJR
I'm sure he's not a bad bloke at all...
I think the problem is that he is being taken as an average archaeologist ... thats what archaeologists make... when it celarly is not... something that could have been highlighted..
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~mallios/index.html
as you can see, he has done plenty .. and I am sure he may regret teh treasure remark, and mean the treasury of knowledge that can be gained from a potsherd... rather than a gold idol.. ps... he should lsoe the magnifying glass... don't think I ever used one of those! :lol: bet that was a prop by the magazine... should have been a trowel! A WHS trowel :twisted:
I think the problem is that he is being taken as an average archaeologist ... thats what archaeologists make... when it celarly is not... something that could have been highlighted..
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~mallios/index.html
as you can see, he has done plenty .. and I am sure he may regret teh treasure remark, and mean the treasury of knowledge that can be gained from a potsherd... rather than a gold idol.. ps... he should lsoe the magnifying glass... don't think I ever used one of those! :lol: bet that was a prop by the magazine... should have been a trowel! A WHS trowel :twisted:
Post ID#6700 - replied 4/7/2008 1:53 PM
Circumambulate
I am not bashing him for his life experience but a Professor should be media savy. And coming from an academic environment he should know that a poorly chosen word reverberates quickly. Easy to spill a bucket of sandy loam but time-consuming to clean it up... unless you use a Marshalltown, of course :lol:
Post ID#6706 - replied 4/7/2008 6:08 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Having earned my B.A. from SDSU I wont hesitate in defaming its program. I learned nothing about CRM at that institution - lots of other things, yes, good archaeology techniques, good understanding of physical and cultural anthro, but certainly not CRM. And from what I can tell by the students that come out of the program, it's still that way - somebody please correct me on this.
SDSU is like many institutions around the nation - they think if they ignore CRM it will just go away. Meanwhile they will happily encourage students to study anth and arch, take their money, and believe that they have created one more ideal candidate for a tenure-track position at Whatsamatta U., instead of realizing that that student is most likely to be employed in CRM somewhere, at some time.
SDSU is like many institutions around the nation - they think if they ignore CRM it will just go away. Meanwhile they will happily encourage students to study anth and arch, take their money, and believe that they have created one more ideal candidate for a tenure-track position at Whatsamatta U., instead of realizing that that student is most likely to be employed in CRM somewhere, at some time.
Post ID#6709 - replied 4/7/2008 7:34 PM
BricksandSticks
The point I was trying to make, and I do not believe I made it clearly, is that his wage is typical of a university professor; and that perhaps that should have been the spin the magazine put out there....
blah-blah-blah....A university professor at [insert institution] earns in excess of $90K annually; this guy happens to teach archaeology courses blah-blah-blah.
Instead, they have advertised their article as though an average archaeologist earns that sum in a year.
As for his background, I am sure it is fantastic or he would not be where he is today, and I will follow the link BAJR provided. I guess I would expect to have heard of the work he has done in the region given his status. I have heard of several others and am familiar with many to a certain degree by happenstance in the business.
With respect to treasure, I agree in hindsight it was probably a poor choice of words on his part. That in an of itself is another discussion, for terminology and industry lingo runs the gamut and some sort of uniform-speak would be nice. The word treasure though, has such bad connotation no matter how it is presented.
And, to BAJR-great site-it is refreshing to get a look at what is going on archaeologically elsewhere in the world. Love the flickr [sp?] stuff as well.
blah-blah-blah....A university professor at [insert institution] earns in excess of $90K annually; this guy happens to teach archaeology courses blah-blah-blah.
Instead, they have advertised their article as though an average archaeologist earns that sum in a year.
As for his background, I am sure it is fantastic or he would not be where he is today, and I will follow the link BAJR provided. I guess I would expect to have heard of the work he has done in the region given his status. I have heard of several others and am familiar with many to a certain degree by happenstance in the business.
With respect to treasure, I agree in hindsight it was probably a poor choice of words on his part. That in an of itself is another discussion, for terminology and industry lingo runs the gamut and some sort of uniform-speak would be nice. The word treasure though, has such bad connotation no matter how it is presented.
And, to BAJR-great site-it is refreshing to get a look at what is going on archaeologically elsewhere in the world. Love the flickr [sp?] stuff as well.
Post ID#6713 - replied 4/8/2008 1:35 PM
prisoner
With regard to "treasure" there is always the possibility the magazine mmisquoted him to make it sound more glamorous/exciting or whatever. reminded me of an article on a dig I was on years ago where the PI was quoted saying that "there was probably not much of interest on the site to the average person, just some big cash pits." Although that was not so much a misquote as a misunderstanding.
Post ID#6715 - replied 4/8/2008 4:23 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Prisoner,
Ya, it is always a possibility, but given the context of the quote, and the background of his work - open to the public - and the requisite need to make it accessible to that public, I'm betting that the choice of words were his. Nevertheless, people make mistakes, perpetuate others, and whatnot. I certainly have no beef with Dr. Mallios, he has done some interesting work. I do take issue with the wage propoganda presented by the magazine (and I'm sure BricksandSticks has it right as to professorial salary), and with the use of terms like treasure, especially in light of the changing political environment that casino money is creating within southern California. Use of terms such as those perpetuate in the minds of some the "racist" past of archaeology, which leaves the rest of us with short shrift when it comes to consultation with members of other communities.
Not surprisingly I have not heard from the editor of the magazine, but I am glad to know that at least a few of you have also written in to voice your opinion. I hope to send another email shortly raising that point and see what he has to say on the matter.
Cheers,
Richard
Ya, it is always a possibility, but given the context of the quote, and the background of his work - open to the public - and the requisite need to make it accessible to that public, I'm betting that the choice of words were his. Nevertheless, people make mistakes, perpetuate others, and whatnot. I certainly have no beef with Dr. Mallios, he has done some interesting work. I do take issue with the wage propoganda presented by the magazine (and I'm sure BricksandSticks has it right as to professorial salary), and with the use of terms like treasure, especially in light of the changing political environment that casino money is creating within southern California. Use of terms such as those perpetuate in the minds of some the "racist" past of archaeology, which leaves the rest of us with short shrift when it comes to consultation with members of other communities.
Not surprisingly I have not heard from the editor of the magazine, but I am glad to know that at least a few of you have also written in to voice your opinion. I hope to send another email shortly raising that point and see what he has to say on the matter.
Cheers,
Richard
Post ID#6716 - replied 4/8/2008 5:28 PM
BAJR
Still nothing either from the editor... strange that..
and a bit rude...
I feel another email coming as well...
I agree with everything said above... btw
and a bit rude...
I feel another email coming as well...
I agree with everything said above... btw
Post ID#6745 - replied 4/9/2008 6:10 PM
BAJR
have you noticed at the bottom of the article you can place a comment!
well... :wink:
go on!
well... :wink:
go on!
Post ID#6747 - replied 4/9/2008 9:46 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Thanks David, I didnt notice that. I added my letter to the editor as a comment as Señor Blair chose to ignore my email.
BTW, excellent posts by yourself and BricksandSticks. Bully!
Richard
BTW, excellent posts by yourself and BricksandSticks. Bully!
Richard
Post ID#6788 - replied 4/11/2008 9:19 PM
FireArch
Moderator
It seems I/we have earned a "friend" as a result of my post to the comments section of the article. Ah, the bliss of blinders....
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
Post ID#6790 - replied 4/11/2008 10:10 PM
Jennifer Palmer
Webmaster
It seems I/we have earned a "friend" as a result of my post to the comments section of the article. Ah, the bliss of blinders....
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
Oh my... lol.
While most archaeologists don't make 90K a year
That has to be the understatement of the year.
And the other half of the quote...
many government archaeological jobs are offering between 70-100K.
I don't know if I would agree with the word "many" here... how about "the rare government archaeological job" pays in that range. Most of the government archy jobs I've seen advertised seem to be hovering in the GS-03 through GS-11 range. Here is the 2008 General Schedule Pay Scale for anyone who may be interested... http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html
Just for giggles, I did a quick search of the archaeology jobs posted on USAJOBS right now and found the following:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
:roll:
Jennifer
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
Oh my... lol.
While most archaeologists don't make 90K a year
That has to be the understatement of the year.
And the other half of the quote...
many government archaeological jobs are offering between 70-100K.
I don't know if I would agree with the word "many" here... how about "the rare government archaeological job" pays in that range. Most of the government archy jobs I've seen advertised seem to be hovering in the GS-03 through GS-11 range. Here is the 2008 General Schedule Pay Scale for anyone who may be interested... http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html
Just for giggles, I did a quick search of the archaeology jobs posted on USAJOBS right now and found the following:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
:roll:
Jennifer
Post ID#6805 - replied 4/12/2008 9:48 AM
FireArch
Moderator
Thanks Jennifer, that's just the stuff I was looking for to reply (should I choose to). The only fed gov positions that I know of that pay in the range peergynt believes are GS- and GM-13 and above; and those folks push paper, not trowels and shovels (and they dont even have to be archaeologists!). I was also going to use the recent CA State Archaeologists positions in the jobs forum; only at Senior Arch at the top end of the scale does one break the 70K threshold. Then I scrapped it and came up with a better post that I'm saving for later.
Post ID#6807 - replied 4/12/2008 11:39 AM
FireArch
Moderator
Here's what I was going to write, but for some reason the comment submittal process wasnt working properly.
Peer,
If that post represents the factual knowledge that you possess and have diligently researched on a topic such as this then I fear having to review one of your reports concerning an archaeological investigation.
The chart in the link provided (see: http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html) clearly defines pay grades for federal employees. Only at Step 10 of GS-11 does one begin to break into the $70,000 and above range (base pay plus adjustments of 13.18%). Field tech archaeologists generally are staffed at GS-03, GS-04, GS-05 or GS-07 levels, while middle management is generally staffed at GS-09 and GS-11. Upper management will be staffed at GS-12 and above.
Recent position announcements on USAJobs for archaeologist include:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
Recent Caltrans Associate Planner position:
Title: Associate Environmental Planner (Archeology)
Salary: $4,619.00 - $5,616.00 (monthly)
Recent position announcements for California State Archaeologists on archaeologyfieldwork.com include:
Assistant State Archeologist $2817.00 - $3193.00 monthly, Associate State Archeologist $4409.00 - $5318.00, and Senior State Archeologist $5199.00 - $6275.00. These positions are located in Sacramento, and are review, not fieldwork, positions (italics mine).
A recent CA Department of Parks and Recreation position announcements was advertising for:
“Two seasonal archaeologist positions available at California Department of Parks and Recreation Southern Service Center (San Diego). The salary range is from $10 to over $15 per hour, depending upon experience and education. There are no relocation costs or housing associated with these positions. These positions do not come with benefits.” These are fieldwork positions, not review.
So you see, “many government archaeological jobs” are not “offering between 70-100K,” and the STARTING wage for an archaeologist in San Diego can be well below $17.17 per hour. So, please continue wearing those rose-tinted sunglasses while digging your STP, encouraging all the tyros by explaining how well paid the profession is, and I’ll continue to illustrate the realities of the business to those that are willing to pay attention. By the way Peer, when you have spent some time working with me, and know me, then you can comment about ME, until then stick to the topic at hand: The poor use of a single example as a proxy to illustrate the conditions of the entire field, and the inappropriate propagation of myths about the profession.
RDS
Peer,
If that post represents the factual knowledge that you possess and have diligently researched on a topic such as this then I fear having to review one of your reports concerning an archaeological investigation.
The chart in the link provided (see: http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html) clearly defines pay grades for federal employees. Only at Step 10 of GS-11 does one begin to break into the $70,000 and above range (base pay plus adjustments of 13.18%). Field tech archaeologists generally are staffed at GS-03, GS-04, GS-05 or GS-07 levels, while middle management is generally staffed at GS-09 and GS-11. Upper management will be staffed at GS-12 and above.
Recent position announcements on USAJobs for archaeologist include:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
Recent Caltrans Associate Planner position:
Title: Associate Environmental Planner (Archeology)
Salary: $4,619.00 - $5,616.00 (monthly)
Recent position announcements for California State Archaeologists on archaeologyfieldwork.com include:
Assistant State Archeologist $2817.00 - $3193.00 monthly, Associate State Archeologist $4409.00 - $5318.00, and Senior State Archeologist $5199.00 - $6275.00. These positions are located in Sacramento, and are review, not fieldwork, positions (italics mine).
A recent CA Department of Parks and Recreation position announcements was advertising for:
“Two seasonal archaeologist positions available at California Department of Parks and Recreation Southern Service Center (San Diego). The salary range is from $10 to over $15 per hour, depending upon experience and education. There are no relocation costs or housing associated with these positions. These positions do not come with benefits.” These are fieldwork positions, not review.
So you see, “many government archaeological jobs” are not “offering between 70-100K,” and the STARTING wage for an archaeologist in San Diego can be well below $17.17 per hour. So, please continue wearing those rose-tinted sunglasses while digging your STP, encouraging all the tyros by explaining how well paid the profession is, and I’ll continue to illustrate the realities of the business to those that are willing to pay attention. By the way Peer, when you have spent some time working with me, and know me, then you can comment about ME, until then stick to the topic at hand: The poor use of a single example as a proxy to illustrate the conditions of the entire field, and the inappropriate propagation of myths about the profession.
RDS
Post ID#6810 - replied 4/12/2008 11:59 AM
BricksandSticks
Bravo! Great reply. I was pretty steamed when I read Peer's response and wondered what archaeological dollar-haven of a planet he was living on.
I wrote a lengthy reply, nothing so eloquent as this, but could not get it to post. It took the submission, but did not post.
Anyhow, great examples.
Ironically, with the exception of his out-of-this-world federal archaeologist wages, he actually drilled our points home with respect to contract-to-contract work, and oddly enough, one of the main gripes being that the wage was more akin to a prof. than an archaeologist.
Well, as we know, reading and comprehending are two different things. Peer apparently does the former, but can't seem to pull through on the latter. Too bad. I would hate to read a report of his as well.
Shann
I wrote a lengthy reply, nothing so eloquent as this, but could not get it to post. It took the submission, but did not post.
Anyhow, great examples.
Ironically, with the exception of his out-of-this-world federal archaeologist wages, he actually drilled our points home with respect to contract-to-contract work, and oddly enough, one of the main gripes being that the wage was more akin to a prof. than an archaeologist.
Well, as we know, reading and comprehending are two different things. Peer apparently does the former, but can't seem to pull through on the latter. Too bad. I would hate to read a report of his as well.
Shann
Post ID#6812 - replied 4/12/2008 12:25 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Thanks Shann,
I wouldnt be surprised if Peer was a Mallios student - not that Seth is a bad guy, but his use as a proxy was a poor choice in my estimation.
Bummer that the comment page is not working. I would love to see the additional posts.
I wouldnt be surprised if Peer was a Mallios student - not that Seth is a bad guy, but his use as a proxy was a poor choice in my estimation.
Bummer that the comment page is not working. I would love to see the additional posts.
Post ID#6815 - replied 4/12/2008 1:41 PM
spynavy
FireArch,
Great response. You hit the nail on the head with that one!!!
Mark
Great response. You hit the nail on the head with that one!!!
Mark
Post ID#6816 - replied 4/12/2008 1:58 PM
spynavy
WOW!!
This is part of the post by PEER that was in the comments section in the San Diego magazine article about how much $$$ we don't make.
In San Diego County the lowest wage a starting archaeological technician, who only has a BA and no real field experience, will make is $17.17 an hour (AGAIN this is STARTING, not the top dollar job someone else posted about).
I want to work for that company that pays so well to start. I was offered a couple of temp jobs in SD (couple weeks ago) that were going to pay me 15/hr and 13/hr and I have only a BA and a couple yrs experience. In all my work in SoCal in have never been paid or offered 17/hr. Must be that the 17.17 he/she is talking about must be on Fed jobs.
Mark
PS Seems the comment section is still not working/posting. Could it be they shut it down for taking comments?
This is part of the post by PEER that was in the comments section in the San Diego magazine article about how much $$$ we don't make.
In San Diego County the lowest wage a starting archaeological technician, who only has a BA and no real field experience, will make is $17.17 an hour (AGAIN this is STARTING, not the top dollar job someone else posted about).
I want to work for that company that pays so well to start. I was offered a couple of temp jobs in SD (couple weeks ago) that were going to pay me 15/hr and 13/hr and I have only a BA and a couple yrs experience. In all my work in SoCal in have never been paid or offered 17/hr. Must be that the 17.17 he/she is talking about must be on Fed jobs.
Mark
PS Seems the comment section is still not working/posting. Could it be they shut it down for taking comments?
Post ID#6818 - replied 4/12/2008 3:48 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Thanks for the support Mark.
The $X.17 makes that rate seem rather Federal to me too. They must be on a federal contract somewhere, but if they are they are still not being paid appropriately, which was the whole point some of us were making. Here's the SCA federal rate for San Diego:
30021 - Archeological Technician I $18.89
30022 - Archeological Technician II $20.32
30023 - Archeological Technician III $25.26
Then there's $3.16 per hour for benes on top of that.
At least they have the satisfaction of knowing that they are "busting ass" and will be moving on at the end of field work. Me, I'd rather see the entire project through the lab, analysis, and report write-up and production. Oh, wait, I do do that, and make sure the crew is well taken care of, and the client is happy, and that we are integrating well with the agency's needs and requirements, etc. etc. I guess I was just being lazy. :lol:
The $X.17 makes that rate seem rather Federal to me too. They must be on a federal contract somewhere, but if they are they are still not being paid appropriately, which was the whole point some of us were making. Here's the SCA federal rate for San Diego:
30021 - Archeological Technician I $18.89
30022 - Archeological Technician II $20.32
30023 - Archeological Technician III $25.26
Then there's $3.16 per hour for benes on top of that.
At least they have the satisfaction of knowing that they are "busting ass" and will be moving on at the end of field work. Me, I'd rather see the entire project through the lab, analysis, and report write-up and production. Oh, wait, I do do that, and make sure the crew is well taken care of, and the client is happy, and that we are integrating well with the agency's needs and requirements, etc. etc. I guess I was just being lazy. :lol:
Post ID#6848 - replied 4/13/2008 8:00 AM
BAJR
is it me... or are comments now disabled...?
If you have a comments page.. you should expect comments.
:lol:
perhaps they did not like the truth!
If you have a comments page.. you should expect comments.
:lol:
perhaps they did not like the truth!
Post ID#6853 - replied 4/13/2008 7:40 PM
FireArch
Moderator
I think you're observations are correct David. I tried to post in with a different alias just to rule out a ploy not to allow multiple postings from the same person - some times these things get nasty between folks and I'm sure the papers really dont like that sort of thing. But, as you say, if you have a comments page expect comments.
Post ID#6864 - replied 4/14/2008 10:50 AM
Circumambulate
I just reposted and had no problem once I logged in and created a new account.
Good luck all.
Good luck all.
Post ID#6866 - replied 4/14/2008 11:20 AM
BricksandSticks
I tried an alternate email address and password. Didn't work...maybe has something to do with cookies (?).
Post ID#6868 - replied 4/14/2008 12:30 PM
BAJR
A bit of saturation bombing from BAJR has produced this from the editor
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san diego magazine did not say archeologists make $90,000 to $100,000 a year. we said one san diego archeologist/anthropologist who teaches at a local university makes $90,000 to $100,000. That minor note was part of a major story on what scores of san diegans earn. and we leaned a major lesson about archeologists: they are sensitive sorts.
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I have replied:
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Many thanks for your reply.
You are right, that we are indeed sensitive sorts, mainly due to poor pay and conditions where professionals are treated more like Victorian workhouse inmates than highly valued staff.
It was for this reason (and the "treasure" Comment) that it felt like a slap in the face for the majority of archaeologists who would never earn even half that ammount. You are right as well... he was a professor of anthropology ... it was just unfortunate the front page had the single word 'Archaeologist' which gave the impression that it was archaeologists who made that sort of money - where in reality it was professors.
Still... I do hope you see that the critisism was well meant and honest. and perhaps you would consider looking further into the real archaeology scandal.
best wishes
David Connolly
B.A.J.R.
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san diego magazine did not say archeologists make $90,000 to $100,000 a year. we said one san diego archeologist/anthropologist who teaches at a local university makes $90,000 to $100,000. That minor note was part of a major story on what scores of san diegans earn. and we leaned a major lesson about archeologists: they are sensitive sorts.
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I have replied:
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Many thanks for your reply.
You are right, that we are indeed sensitive sorts, mainly due to poor pay and conditions where professionals are treated more like Victorian workhouse inmates than highly valued staff.
It was for this reason (and the "treasure" Comment) that it felt like a slap in the face for the majority of archaeologists who would never earn even half that ammount. You are right as well... he was a professor of anthropology ... it was just unfortunate the front page had the single word 'Archaeologist' which gave the impression that it was archaeologists who made that sort of money - where in reality it was professors.
Still... I do hope you see that the critisism was well meant and honest. and perhaps you would consider looking further into the real archaeology scandal.
best wishes
David Connolly
B.A.J.R.
Post ID#6870 - replied 4/14/2008 12:51 PM
Circumambulate
Good job David!!
You Wrote:
A bit of saturation bombing from BAJR has produced this from the editor
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san diego magazine did not say archeologists make $90,000 to $100,000 a year. we said one san diego archeologist/anthropologist who teaches at a local university makes $90,000 to $100,000. That minor note was part of a major story on what scores of san diegans earn. and we leaned a major lesson about archeologists: they are sensitive sorts.
and if they "leaned" something then bully for them. :)
You Wrote:
A bit of saturation bombing from BAJR has produced this from the editor
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san diego magazine did not say archeologists make $90,000 to $100,000 a year. we said one san diego archeologist/anthropologist who teaches at a local university makes $90,000 to $100,000. That minor note was part of a major story on what scores of san diegans earn. and we leaned a major lesson about archeologists: they are sensitive sorts.
and if they "leaned" something then bully for them. :)
Post ID#6879 - replied 4/14/2008 8:04 PM
FireArch
Moderator
[quote:="BAJR"][size=12:]san diego magazine did not say archeologists make $90,000 to $100,000 a year. we said one san diego archeologist/anthropologist who teaches at a local university makes $90,000 to $100,000. That minor note was part of a major story on what scores of san diegans earn. and we leaned a major lesson about archeologists: they are sensitive sorts.
I take some issue with this face saving two-step by the editor or their spokespiece. This statement is clearly belied, in my opinion, by their preface at the top of the article, which stated:
"We asked San Diegans representing an array of job occupations how much they bring in with each paycheck and what they like most——and least——about their jobs."
Had they used "from a variety," or "encompassing a range," or something of the like then it would be entirely different, but they used representing and that has a particular meaning.
Nevertheless, Bully to David for sticking it to them. Hopefully they have learned that which David supplied in reply to their "sensitive" comment.
Cheers David.
Richard
I take some issue with this face saving two-step by the editor or their spokespiece. This statement is clearly belied, in my opinion, by their preface at the top of the article, which stated:
"We asked San Diegans representing an array of job occupations how much they bring in with each paycheck and what they like most——and least——about their jobs."
Had they used "from a variety," or "encompassing a range," or something of the like then it would be entirely different, but they used representing and that has a particular meaning.
Nevertheless, Bully to David for sticking it to them. Hopefully they have learned that which David supplied in reply to their "sensitive" comment.
Cheers David.
Richard
Post ID#6905 - replied 4/15/2008 5:16 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Has anyone else who submitted a comment on the SDM website regarding this article received an email from Mr. Blair asking to have your submission published, "with and explanation," in the June issue?
I did, and though I want to say go ahead, the caveat of "with and explanation" somewhat concerns me as they can say anything in response to my comment without affording me an opportunity to qualify my statement before publication.
I would rather have the opportunity to write a perspective op-ed rather than go this route.
Opinions, suggestions?
I did, and though I want to say go ahead, the caveat of "with and explanation" somewhat concerns me as they can say anything in response to my comment without affording me an opportunity to qualify my statement before publication.
I would rather have the opportunity to write a perspective op-ed rather than go this route.
Opinions, suggestions?
Post ID#6906 - replied 4/15/2008 6:46 PM
BricksandSticks
Perhaps you and Professor Mellios could team up for a realistic discussion regarding archaeology; the nuances of the field of study, the variety of disciplines, the true wages a non-academic driven archaeologist can expect... and so on. This way he can actually address his own students (current and previous) with a frank answer as to the sometimes harsh realities of archaeology.
I would like to think (I do not know him), that he too would find meaning in our issues of the article's presentation of salary. Maybe he can address his treasure hunting terminology as well.
I think if he were a willing participant, or perhaps an interview subject of yours, it may cause SDM to rethink their own article, or at least how they present them.
Regardless, I think if he did want to be included, his input on the topic would be informative on many levels.
I would like to think (I do not know him), that he too would find meaning in our issues of the article's presentation of salary. Maybe he can address his treasure hunting terminology as well.
I think if he were a willing participant, or perhaps an interview subject of yours, it may cause SDM to rethink their own article, or at least how they present them.
Regardless, I think if he did want to be included, his input on the topic would be informative on many levels.
Post ID#6972 - replied 4/18/2008 10:05 AM
Jennifer Palmer
Webmaster
I happened to open up the Sunday paper to read Parade magazine's annual salary survey of "What People Earn": http://www.parade.com/money/index.jsp
I didn't recall seeing any archaeologists listed. However, if anyone wants to be featured in next year's issue, you can submit your info: http://www.parade.com/opencms/do/whatPeopleEarn
Perhaps it might be an education for a national audience to see what a typical archaeologist in the U.S. makes...
Jennifer
I didn't recall seeing any archaeologists listed. However, if anyone wants to be featured in next year's issue, you can submit your info: http://www.parade.com/opencms/do/whatPeopleEarn
Perhaps it might be an education for a national audience to see what a typical archaeologist in the U.S. makes...
Jennifer
Post ID#6977 - replied 4/18/2008 5:50 PM
BAJR
Both thse posts (corectly worded...) are incerdibly positive methods of increasing awareness.. awareness brings public support.. this could be a very very good move.
I am sure Jen would agree that an article created from here.. would be a powerful and well crafted article.
Hope the babby is not keeping you up too late :) :lol:
I am sure Jen would agree that an article created from here.. would be a powerful and well crafted article.
Hope the babby is not keeping you up too late :) :lol:
Post ID#7034 - replied 4/23/2008 12:35 PM
Jennifer Palmer
Webmaster
The little one has actually been allowing me to sleep (somewhat). It's more of an issue finding free time for the website during the day, as the baby has been a bit demanding. I apologize to everyone for being mostly absent lately. There are a lot of threads (like this one) that I wish I had more time to participate in...
It would be interesting to see a poll posted somewhere (other than an archaeology website) to ask the general public what they believe a typical archaeologist is paid.
Jennifer
It would be interesting to see a poll posted somewhere (other than an archaeology website) to ask the general public what they believe a typical archaeologist is paid.
Jennifer
Post ID#7043 - replied 4/23/2008 1:46 PM
timdig
If we open something to the general public it would be nice to try and find out how misinformed they are about what we do which might be related to what they think we get paid. Do most the public think archaeology is only in the academy? What percentage of the public know about CRM? etc could be interesting
Post ID#7072 - replied 4/24/2008 6:54 PM
BAJR
Just come back from Barcelona... ah joy! Archaeology, Art, Culture... and nice food!
has anything moved on the articel yet?
has anything moved on the articel yet?
Post ID#7085 - replied 4/25/2008 3:03 PM
AMB
Before everyone decides to become an archaeology professor to make 90,000, even this is above the average for most professors. Schools use the "CUPA Average" to determine their salaries. The CUPA averages for Social Science are below.
[45.] SOCIAL SCIENCES
Un-Weighted Average
Professor
85,729
Associate Professor
65,680
Assistant Professor
55,052
New Assistant Professor
55,243
Instructor
43,667
So, you might make 90,000 once you are a full professor, well into your academic career.
As a further aside, the market for North American archaeology professors is rather flooded right now. The average time from PhD to first assistant professor position is 2-5 years.
[45.] SOCIAL SCIENCES
Un-Weighted Average
Professor
85,729
Associate Professor
65,680
Assistant Professor
55,052
New Assistant Professor
55,243
Instructor
43,667
So, you might make 90,000 once you are a full professor, well into your academic career.
As a further aside, the market for North American archaeology professors is rather flooded right now. The average time from PhD to first assistant professor position is 2-5 years.
Post ID#7305 - replied 5/6/2008 2:54 PM
Circumambulate
I am just saying................ :roll:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/06/sdsu.bust/index.html
Drug bust nets 96 at San Diego State Story Highlights
Among the 96 arrested in drug operation were 75 San Diego State students
Some of the students nabbed were working toward criminal justice degrees
Charges range from possessing to selling cocaine
Next Article in Crime »
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Almost 100 people have been arrested after an undercover drug operation at San Diego State University in California.
The Drug Enforcement Administration said Tuesday 75 students were among the 96 people arrested. Some of the arrested students were working toward criminal justice and homeland security degrees.
According to a news release, campus police and the DEA began an undercover operation after the death of a student from an overdose in May 2007. A second overdose death occurred as recently as February at a fraternity house.
"DEA agents infiltrated several student drug distribution cells and more than 130 drug purchases and seizures were made" during the investigation known as Operation Sudden Fall, according to the press release.
Officials arrested the 75 students and 21 non-students on a variety of drug charges ranging from possession to selling cocaine
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/06/sdsu.bust/index.html
Drug bust nets 96 at San Diego State Story Highlights
Among the 96 arrested in drug operation were 75 San Diego State students
Some of the students nabbed were working toward criminal justice degrees
Charges range from possessing to selling cocaine
Next Article in Crime »
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Almost 100 people have been arrested after an undercover drug operation at San Diego State University in California.
The Drug Enforcement Administration said Tuesday 75 students were among the 96 people arrested. Some of the arrested students were working toward criminal justice and homeland security degrees.
According to a news release, campus police and the DEA began an undercover operation after the death of a student from an overdose in May 2007. A second overdose death occurred as recently as February at a fraternity house.
"DEA agents infiltrated several student drug distribution cells and more than 130 drug purchases and seizures were made" during the investigation known as Operation Sudden Fall, according to the press release.
Officials arrested the 75 students and 21 non-students on a variety of drug charges ranging from possession to selling cocaine
[size=12:]
Post ID#7310 - replied 5/6/2008 4:42 PM
FireArch
Moderator
Interesting to see that none appear to be anthro majors - dont get paid enough to afford drugs, lol (pay no attention to that field crew lighting up that pipe behind the brush).
Post ID#7362 - replied 5/8/2008 9:45 AM
BAJR
The only coke I do is mixed with Jack Daniels! :lol:
Post ID#7985 - replied 5/24/2008 10:29 PM
FireArch
Moderator
A while ago I noted that my comment to SDM stating that archaeologists earn 90+K/yr received a friendly reply:
[quote:="FireArch"]It seems I/we have earned a "friend" as a result of my post to the comments section of the article. Ah, the bliss of blinders....
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
to which I wanted to post information gathered from our discussion on pay and job announcements, which was encorporated into the following reply, but for whatever reason I was unable to post to the SDM comment thread:
[quote:="FireArch"]Here's what I was going to write, but for some reason the comment submittal process wasnt working properly.
Peer,
If that post represents the factual knowledge that you possess and have diligently researched on a topic such as this then I fear having to review one of your reports concerning an archaeological investigation.
The chart in the link provided (see: http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html) clearly defines pay grades for federal employees. Only at Step 10 of GS-11 does one begin to break into the $70,000 and above range (base pay plus adjustments of 13.18%). Field tech archaeologists generally are staffed at GS-03, GS-04, GS-05 or GS-07 levels, while middle management is generally staffed at GS-09 and GS-11. Upper management will be staffed at GS-12 and above.
Recent position announcements on USAJobs for archaeologist include:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
Recent Caltrans Associate Planner position:
Title: Associate Environmental Planner (Archeology)
Salary: $4,619.00 - $5,616.00 (monthly)
Recent position announcements for California State Archaeologists on archaeologyfieldwork.com include:
Assistant State Archeologist $2817.00 - $3193.00 monthly, Associate State Archeologist $4409.00 - $5318.00, and Senior State Archeologist $5199.00 - $6275.00. These positions are located in Sacramento, and are review, not fieldwork, positions (italics mine).
A recent CA Department of Parks and Recreation position announcements was advertising for:
“Two seasonal archaeologist positions available at California Department of Parks and Recreation Southern Service Center (San Diego). The salary range is from $10 to over $15 per hour, depending upon experience and education. There are no relocation costs or housing associated with these positions. These positions do not come with benefits.” These are fieldwork positions, not review.
So you see, “many government archaeological jobs” are not “offering between 70-100K,” and the STARTING wage for an archaeologist in San Diego can be well below $17.17 per hour. So, please continue wearing those rose-tinted sunglasses while digging your STP, encouraging all the tyros by explaining how well paid the profession is, and I’ll continue to illustrate the realities of the business to those that are willing to pay attention. By the way Peer, when you have spent some time working with me, and know me, then you can comment about ME, until then stick to the topic at hand: The poor use of a single example as a proxy to illustrate the conditions of the entire field, and the inappropriate propagation of myths about the profession.
RDS
I got it to post in their comments section. I guess it's open again.
[quote:="FireArch"]It seems I/we have earned a "friend" as a result of my post to the comments section of the article. Ah, the bliss of blinders....
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/media/San-Diego-Magazine/April-2008/Who-Makes-What-/
to which I wanted to post information gathered from our discussion on pay and job announcements, which was encorporated into the following reply, but for whatever reason I was unable to post to the SDM comment thread:
[quote:="FireArch"]Here's what I was going to write, but for some reason the comment submittal process wasnt working properly.
Peer,
If that post represents the factual knowledge that you possess and have diligently researched on a topic such as this then I fear having to review one of your reports concerning an archaeological investigation.
The chart in the link provided (see: http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html) clearly defines pay grades for federal employees. Only at Step 10 of GS-11 does one begin to break into the $70,000 and above range (base pay plus adjustments of 13.18%). Field tech archaeologists generally are staffed at GS-03, GS-04, GS-05 or GS-07 levels, while middle management is generally staffed at GS-09 and GS-11. Upper management will be staffed at GS-12 and above.
Recent position announcements on USAJobs for archaeologist include:
GS-0102-03/07 9.78+ /hr
GS-0102-04/07 10.97+/hr
GS-0102-05/07 12.26+/hr
GS-0102-05 14.24 /hr
GS-0193-07/11 36,822.00+ (multiple listings)
GS/YA-0193-02 43,731.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 45,039.00+
GS-0193-09/12 45,040.00+ (multiple listings)
YA-0193-2/2 47,400.00+
GS-0193-09/09 48,108.00+
GS-0193-09/09 49,847.00+
GS-0193-12/12 65,315.00+
Recent Caltrans Associate Planner position:
Title: Associate Environmental Planner (Archeology)
Salary: $4,619.00 - $5,616.00 (monthly)
Recent position announcements for California State Archaeologists on archaeologyfieldwork.com include:
Assistant State Archeologist $2817.00 - $3193.00 monthly, Associate State Archeologist $4409.00 - $5318.00, and Senior State Archeologist $5199.00 - $6275.00. These positions are located in Sacramento, and are review, not fieldwork, positions (italics mine).
A recent CA Department of Parks and Recreation position announcements was advertising for:
“Two seasonal archaeologist positions available at California Department of Parks and Recreation Southern Service Center (San Diego). The salary range is from $10 to over $15 per hour, depending upon experience and education. There are no relocation costs or housing associated with these positions. These positions do not come with benefits.” These are fieldwork positions, not review.
So you see, “many government archaeological jobs” are not “offering between 70-100K,” and the STARTING wage for an archaeologist in San Diego can be well below $17.17 per hour. So, please continue wearing those rose-tinted sunglasses while digging your STP, encouraging all the tyros by explaining how well paid the profession is, and I’ll continue to illustrate the realities of the business to those that are willing to pay attention. By the way Peer, when you have spent some time working with me, and know me, then you can comment about ME, until then stick to the topic at hand: The poor use of a single example as a proxy to illustrate the conditions of the entire field, and the inappropriate propagation of myths about the profession.
RDS
I got it to post in their comments section. I guess it's open again.
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